Having just finished donning their smoking jackets and filling their pipes, Lawrence and Patrick have gathered around the fireside to about Fat Personal trainers.
It's a divisive topic with people strongly on either side of the fence and Patrick has a very recent anecdote to share on the topic.
While you're listening you can find SBS on Instagram and Snapchat @ShredByScience and while you're at it you can find the Judd on @LozJudd.
The 2017 Strength and Physique Conference is in July, it features Eric Helms and Dr Mike Zourdos and you can get your tickets from shreddedbyscience.com/conference
The music in this episode was:
"Volatile Reaction" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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